[nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrsofexp & good client references
Sean Fulton
sean at gcnpublishing.com
Sat Aug 9 20:48:55 EDT 2008
As an employer, i appreciate availability posts and *always* check the person out, whether we need help at the moment or not.
I hope that freelancers will continue to post their availability on this list. That's why I am concerned about anything that might inhibit someone from posting for fear of being publicly criticized.
It's hard to find good people! Let them post and I will make my own decisions.
sean
-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Dikan" <mike at greenzer.com>
To: "Donna Marie Vincent" <donnamarievincent at yahoo.com>
Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
Sent: 8/9/2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrsofexp & good client references
This has all been an interesting discussion, i think Ben has a lot of
cheers because we have all in some way or another had to feel the pain
of cleaning up someone else's code mess, be it foreign-built or
otherwise. I think the point that it wasn't the place do so might
have some merit, but one point i haven't heard mentioned is whether or
not the NY PHP board is really the place for Sundar or any other non-
NY php developer to post about his services and expect non-reproachful
responses when he does so.
What are the NY PHP list moderator's positions on that?
-Mike
On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Donna Marie Vincent wrote:
> Some people don't see anything unless and until it's happening to
> them. If it doesn't have a negative impact on *you*, then I guess
> everything is fine.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: RDP <webmiester at gmail.com>
> To: Donna Marie Vincent <donnamarievincent at yahoo.com>; jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:32:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about
> 5+ yrsofexp & good client references
>
> Oh please Donna, the drama!!
>
> I didn't see any cruelty in Ben's observation.
>
>
>
> Rob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donna Marie Vincent
> To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about
> 5+ yrsofexp & good client references
>
> This is cruel and inappropriate. It's more about killing off your
> competition to build yourself up than it is about providing helpful
> information. Barbaric is another word that comes to mind.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: RDP <webmiester at gmail.com>
> To: sean at gcnpublishing.com; Andrew Wint <wint at socketnet.com>
> Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 12:41:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about
> 5+ yrs ofexp & good client references
>
> I agree with Ben! Yay Ben!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sean Fulton
> To: Andrew Wint
> Cc: RDP ; jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about
> 5+ yrs ofexp & good client references
>
> I disagree. This wasn't a former employer complaining about a
> consultant's work, this was another consultant, a competitor if you
> will, stating as fact something that no one can possibly double-
> check. I think it's unfair, and am surprised that, on a list
> dedicated to helping consultants find jobs, you folks would not be
> more concerned about it. I think this is the first time I have seen
> someone in a public forum accuse someone of something and not be
> called to provide proof of their claims. Very puzzling.
>
> No one knows what the job requirements were, what the client's
> expectations were, or what the budget was. Did the client provide
> enough time and budget to have the job done right, or did they just
> say, "Get it done for next to nothing," and then when they realized
> the short-sidedness of their approach, hire Ben to clean up the mess
> rather than go back to the developer they low-balled and admit that
> they didn't give him enough time and $$ to do the job correctly. We
> don't know. Ben won't even tell the list who the client was or
> produce evidence of the inferior work. So to my mind, this whole
> thread is quite unfair to the developer who originally posted his
> availability and should be dropped.
>
> Finally, as you read this, please keep in mind that we are a company
> that employs people on this list, that's why I subscribe. I have
> employed developers here in the US and in six other countries. I
> find *no* geo-political differences in coding skills. We evaluate
> developers based on samples, client references and their ability to
> follow directions. I have had more than a few developers who are so
> focused on developing "great code" that they completely ignore the
> project specs, budget and time-lines. Those people don't last long,
> but people who follow directions do.
>
> Again, without knowing the original assignment that Sundar was given
> and what went on between he and the client at that time, facts which
> I doubt even Ben knows, we really can't draw any useful conclusions
> nor should we try.
>
> Just my $.02.
>
> sean
>
>
>
>
> Andrew Wint wrote:
>>
>> All he did was to provide transparency, now we are discussing the
>> issues. Kristina gave very valid points about the 'delivery of
>> crappy code' and not being able to take action because they are in
>> another country.
>>
>> Another point is that this why we have standards of development
>> practices, these standards shouldn't be compromised they can bend a
>> bit but not break. Sundar needs to seek them out and adhere to them.
>>
>> I know it may seem harsh but it may help Sundar down the line in
>> his growth. As well as protect a small struggling company,
>> thinking they are saving money but falling into a trap.
>>
>> Ben did a good thing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:50 AM, RDP wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sorry Donna, but I disagree.
>>>
>>> It's perfectly fine to express a view about someone's work.
>>>
>>> Of course we make errors in our code, everybody does. But you
>>> can't evaluate experience without examining ones work.
>>>
>>> And employers DO give out this information. Especially if an
>>> individual was let go because of inability.
>>>
>>> Finally, I'm having a problem imagining rows of unemployed PHP
>>> coders down and out on skid-row in cardboard boxes, homeless,
>>> because their work was criticized.
>>>
>>> Bye,
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Donna Marie Vincent
>>> To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with
>>> about 5+ yrs ofexp & good client references
>>>
>>> It's not only unethical to publicly disparage an individual's
>>> ability to perform a job, you could be subject to legal action.
>>>
>>> Have you ever made an error while performing your job duties?
>>>
>>> Even a former employer would not give out this type of
>>> information. Do you want to be responsible for someone not
>>> getting work, and ending up homeless on the street, because of
>>> your personal opinion about their work, which may or may not be
>>> valid?
>>>
>>> This is not the same as publicly criticizing a particular product,
>>> or a company's business practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ben Sgro <ben at projectskyline.com> wrote:
>>> From: Ben Sgro <ben at projectskyline.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with
>>> about 5+ yrs of exp & good client references
>>> To:
>>> Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
>>> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:17 AM
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I audited a site this guy built - it was full of holes - SQL
>>> injection,
>>> XSS, default passwords on CMS admin accounts, etc.
>>>
>>> Also, the code was PHP4 w/HTML sprinkled all over it, cut and
>>> paste, no
>>> functions. No layouts, templates or
>>> smarty.
>>> Basically, impossible and very time consuming to make updates.
>>>
>>> Be sure to request some source before you work with him.
>>>
>>> - Ben
>>>
>>> sundar rajan wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi
>>> ,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'm a Freelance Telecommuting PHP/MySQL Programmer with about 5+
>>> yrs
>>> > of experience in building web applications .
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Following are the type of small / contract jobs that I take:
>>> > /Creating Custom scripts
>>> > Member signup with email verification & login with session
>>> authentication
>>> > Dynamic PDF File generation from the database information using
>>> FPDF
>>>
>>> >
>>> libraries
>>> > Command line processing of PHP scripts
>>> > Installing CAPTCHA security code for the forms
>>> > Google Maps <http://maps.google.com/> API to display a location
>>> with
>>>
>>> > pop-up
>>> info
>>> > XML parsing to database
>>> > CSV parsing to database
>>> > RSS feeds using Carp
>>> > Handling File uploads
>>> > Generating statistics reports from the database values
>>> > Generating Graphical reports from the database values
>>> > Generating Excel download from the database
>>> values
>>> > Working with complex queries in Mysql console
>>> > Building application with SEO friendly URLs
>>> > Installing MySQL , Apache , PHP , SVN , AWStats & software apps in
>>> > linux boxes
>>> > /
>>> > I can also take up bigger projects with proper
>>> specification documents
>>>
>>> > along with the UI/HTML prototypes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Checkout my online portfolio at http://www.sundarrajan.com
>>> > <http://www.sundarrajan.com/> to know more about my skill-set ,
>>> > experiences , projects as
>>> well as client references.
>>> >
>>> > As a verified premier paypal member since 2005 with over 70
>>> seller
>>> > reputation , I can accept paypal / credit card payments.
>>> >
>>> > Please do contact me for further details , if you have any jobs.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > With regards,
>>> > Sundar
>>> > Phone: (+1) 510.455.4387
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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