NYCPHP Meetup

[Chauncey Thorn]

I'm not sure a Union would solve the problem. I've been exposed to a number
of Union workers and they become very complacent knowing that they going to
be making the same regardless. I feel this could de-value the profession.

CT


On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kristina D. H. Anderson <
ka at kacomputerconsulting.com> wrote:

> I for one am grateful to see the passionate opinions being voiced
> here.  In an industry where so much is expected of us in terms of
> knowledge and commitment, and which has been subjected like no other
> profession to the forces of "globalization" (i.e. wage reduction), we
> do need to consider, really, how offensive it truly is that anyone
> feels our work is worth "minimum wage".
>
> And we are subjected to insulting stereotypes which hold that "computer
> geeks" enjoy their work too much to care about what they get paid, or
> that all we need are some old T-shirts and some cold pizza and we are
> good to go...and how much can that cost?  Please, programmers are not
> all the same, and some even have families they need to support, or
> possibly even other goals besides spending the rest of their lives
> toiling over a hot text editor for practically no money...*GASP*.
>
> This all comes back to the issue that I feel is at the core of
> things...the lack of licensing or credentialling organizations in our
> field that would perform the core functions that they do in other
> industries...namely to maintain a certain exclusivity of talent and to
> fight against economic pressures seeking to dampen wage or salary rates
> in our industry.  Or a programmer's union that could mandate that the
> MINIMUM hourly rate for any union programmer is $40 or $50 or whatever
> they decide on...and make it hard on companies that don't use union
> programmers...or whatever the solution might be.
>
> I feel that attempting to take work away from NYC programmers by
> undercutting our billing rates to the tune of 8 DOLLARS AN HOUR should
> be explicitly prohibited on this list, because it IS offensive, and
> even potentially harmful.
>
> Happy coding everyone,
>
> Kristina
>
>
>
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I was not trying to be rude or disrespectful to the person who posted
> the
> > advertisement.  I monitor the list for Jobs in NYC to see what
> employers are
> > looking for. Seeing someone posting an Ad for what is .75 above
> minimum wage
> > here.  I have ZERO desire to compete with those prices regardless of
> the
> > state of the application after developed.
> >
> > I've been developing PHP application for over 7 year and my base
> price is 8
> > times the lowest they would take to develop an application. I'm sure
> there
> > are other PHP developer here in NYC that are in the same boat. Why
> would we
> > want those types of Ads.
> >
> > I'm sure there are some skilled PHP developers in India that are
> willing to
> > write applications for 8-15 USD. But no skilled PHP developer in the
> NY is
> > going to work for those prices and I spoke up to halt the competition.
> > Nothing personal (and I mean that)
> >
> > To be honest I didn't really have a problem with the Ad but when it
> said 8 -
> > 15 USD. I couldn't let it slide.
> > When it comes to "*jobs*" I only care if PHP recruiters and/or
> developers in
> > NYC benefit from this list and that message didn't benefit anyone in
> NYC.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Web wrote:
> > >
> > >> I would share this with my friends but I don't have any friends in
> India.
> > >>  Nor do I get work from India.
> > >>  That's why I'm on this NEW YORK PHP list.  For New York PHP
> jobs.  NEW
> > >> YORK!
> > >>  Start your own IndiaPHP list.
> > >>  Thank you,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >   People in India don't get work from India.  A big drop in the
> dollar
> > > would be good because it would bring jobs back to the US and
> encourage other
> > > countries to develop balanced local markets in goods and services.
> > >
> > >   There are some world-class organizations in India,  and there are
> a lot
> > > of smaller ones that aren't so good.  Overall,  India tends to
> underprice
> > > software development work (and other white collar) done in the US
> by about
> > > 2/3.  In the better cases,  you're paying for more people and for
> people to
> > > manage the extra people,  and get good results.  In the worst
> cases,  you
> > > just get ripped.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > --
> > Chauncey Thorn
> > PHP Developer/Systems Administrator
> > email: chaunceyt at gmail.com
> > url: http://www.cthorn.com/
> >
> >
>
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Chauncey Thorn
PHP Developer/Systems Administrator
email: chaunceyt at gmail.com
url: http://www.cthorn.com/
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