NYCPHP Meetup

[Kristina D. H. Anderson]

The fact that PHP is already trying to move to version 6 when 
realistically, almost half the code still in use today is 4, and people 
are still trying to wrap their heads around the most efficient way to 
use the new "features" of 5, guarantees that it's a tough sell to 
larger corporations.  The fact that it's free doesn't help either.

This does, however, bode well for those of us whose business models 
depend on debugging and stabilizing the mountains of crappy PHP code 
that are truly out there waiting for us. :)

Kristina

> When PHP becomes adopted by more and more large corporate clients all 
of this nonesense (you get an equity stake in my cubicle)  will go 
away.... Bloomberg has started to implemented Flex for
> some of their UI and so that day is coming closer and closer.  ( 
Please don't send me an e-mail telling me PHP is not the same as Flex.. 
I am just making a point).
> 
> SA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kristina D. H. Anderson [mailto:ka at kacomputerconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:48 PM
> To: Shahan Avedian; Laura; Kristina D. H. Anderson; Victor Olteanu; 
jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-jobs] Question: Re: Senior PHP5 developer - 
Social media
> 
> OK, so they want someone senior with tons of work experience to work
> for "low salary + equity" in a noisy office filled with 23 year old
> kids playing foosball...
> 
> YEAP that sounds about right.  :)
> 
> Kristina
> 
> >
> > As  a recruiter, in my opinion whenever I read those type of things
> the first thing I think about is that the job does not pay a lot of
> money.
> >
> > The term "rockstar" is their inarticulate way of trying to find
> someone senior with plenty of work experience.   When you
> see "foosball" and "Star Wars Trivia"  that is usually code for "we 
are
> going to try to say things to take the focus off of compensation"   I
> don't think it has anything to do with male vs. female...but it
> probably means everyone there is young
> >
> >
> >  They're led by a management team with a track record of
> >
> > > success in the online world, and their current investors are made
> up of some of the most respected names in the business.
> >
> > Whenever a posting has to references "investors" it usually means 
the
> source of your salary is coming from venture funding and not actual
> profits generated by the business.  If you sell 1 widget in September
> and 2 widgets in October you can say you grew by 100%..so when ads 
talk
> about rapid growth rate it usually implies it's a small place.
> Revenue growth does not translate into profitable or viable business
> model.
> >
> > I recruit for many other skillsets then PHP but it seems these types
> of Hype are more typical of PHP centric positions.
> >
> > What I would know as a candidate is "What does it pay?"  and
> recuriters should list the salary or hourly rate into the job
> description.  Few job descriptions do that.
> >
> > SA
> >
> > From: jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:jobs-
> bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Laura
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:10 PM
> > To: Kristina D. H. Anderson
> > Cc: Victor Olteanu; jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Question: Re: Senior PHP5 developer -
> Social media
> >
> > It's funny how most of these things are code words for "male."
> >
> > Except, actually, not so much funny at all...
> >
> > Laura
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Kristina D. H. Anderson
> <ka at kacomputerconsulting.com<mailto:ka at kacomputerconsulting.com>> 
wrote:
> > So in other words, unless the job posting specifically contains the
> > exact phrases "foosball", "rock star", "Star Wars trivia" or "we all
> > enjoy going out after work together for a beer, and you should 
really
> > want to do that with us"...
> >
> > I think I'm starting to understand.
> >
> > Kristina
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I think it means it's a cohesive group. In some companies nobody
> > talks to
> > > each other, and it seems what they're saying is that these guys 
are
> > friendly
> > > and communicative, which is something I personally consider a big
> > plus.
> > >
> > > V
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Kristina D. H. Anderson <
> > > ka at kacomputerconsulting.com<mailto:ka at kacomputerconsulting.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm wondering what it means to other people on this list when 
they
> > read
> > > > something like "This is a group that works and plays well
> together."
> > > >
> > > > Does this mean that socializing with co-workers is a requirement
> of
> > the
> > > > job?  That the office environment is loud and boisterous [see,
> viz.,
> > > > other job postings that mention foosball in the office, etc.] 
and
> > that
> > > > concentration may therefore be a difficult task?  Does it mean
> that
> > > > there is a high value placed on "fitting in" i.e. that the team 
be
> > > > homogeneous and therefore they are probably looking to bring in
> only
> > > > people of a certain "type" to be on the "team"...?
> > > >
> > > > Your comments and feedback are appreciated and hope that this is
> in
> > the
> > > > spirit of sincere discussion about how to read job postings!
> > > >
> > > > - Kristina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Agreed all - let's keep comments useful and traffic to a
> minimum -
> > > > not to
> > > > > sound like a third grade teacher, but constructive criticism 
is
> > > > welcomed and
> > > > > benefits both job hunters and recruiters.  Having a good
> > discussion
> > > > with wit
> > > > > is also important, but do remember that this list gets a lot 
of
> > > > traffic for
> > > > > a jobs list.
> > > > >
> > > > > H
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:jobs-
> bounces at lists.nyphp.org> [mailto:jobs-<mailto:jobs->
> > > > > > bounces at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:bounces at lists.nyphp.org>] On
> Behalf Of John Schoneboom
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:06 AM
> > > > > > To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:jobs at lists.nyphp.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Senior PHP5 developer - Social 
media
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gotta weigh in on the side of the wise-asses.  Brian's 
comment
> > is
> > > > well
> > > > > > taken and it's true we don't want to discourage job posters.
> > On the
> > > > > > other hand I think there's equally good if not better value 
in
> > using
> > > > > > this network to reality-check with each other once in a 
while.
> > Wise
> > > > > > cracks not only keep things a bit fun but they also can
> reflect
> > some
> > > > > > truths about the market.  I wouldn't sleep well at night
> > thinking
> > > > the
> > > > > > rest of you were unanimously going around thinking of
> > yourselves in
> > > > > > all earnestness as rockstars out to change the world with 
your
> > > > passion
> > > > > > to work 20 hours a day.  If we can have the slightest
> influence
> > on
> > > > > > employer's expectations by means of our sarcastic feedback, 
so
> > much
> > > > > > the better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
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