NYCPHP Meetup

[Wayne Cope \(Intercart\)]

Sorry to interupt, and I don't wish to sound rude - but this is getting a
little petty.

At the end of the day there are good point and bad points to all languages -
and good reasons for doing some things on the client, and others on the
server.  So long as the security model is sufficient for the application in
hand, and all potential risks given the sensitivity of the data or
functionality being secured are removed sufficiently then who cares what
method is used, or where the validation occurs - it's all application
specific, and there should be no specific rule.  Guidelines yes, but rules
no.

At the end of the day, the chap simply asked for help on some JavaScript -
and he got that off a few kind people out there, and thereafter the whole
issue completely lost it's context and turned into silly banter.

However - to have started a discussion on security issues in general, i.e.
discussing the pro's and con's of client side and server side validation
would have been a good step, but there's no need to be derogative about any
specific languages because that simply leads to people being argumentative,
and constructive criticism is lost.

Bye for now...
W

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arno Vanmosel" <Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] JavaScript List?


> Say what Dan? .... Wrong Wrong Wrong ....
> I agree with Kyle.
> JavaScript is used to keep the load on the servers low!
> If you know what your doing, you can accomplish many things with Jscript.
> Validation, Dynamic menu's, Browser checking, etc...
> If I had to do all this on the server ... I would have a farm stretching
> from NYC to Atlanta, GA .... You do need to make sure that your jscripts
> are compliant with browsers. Get something like dhtmllib and your set.
> The more you can use the visitors web-browser, the more you save on server
> processing, which means less servers, which means less money to spend on
> your hardware infrastructure, which means a happy CTO!
> Don't know what kind of hit volume you guys get at analysisandsolutions,
> but if you guys want a 15 billion http request ratio, you better rethink
> your coding strategy!
> Don't get me wrong, PHP is good at certain things ... no even better ...
> many things!
> But there are many languages out there that have their pro's and cons.
> Don't get to focused on one language to much ...
>
> Arno
> (Hans ... You must have seen that one coming .... hehehehe)
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] JavaScript List?
>
>
> That's not really accurate.  Javascript, CSS, and DHTML are all very
> useful if you know what you are doing.  Browser detection makes it
> possible to implement client side languages without worrying as much
> about widespread compliance.  The drawback being longer interface
> development time as you would have to design UI for multiple levels of
> compliancy.  With this setup and the good client side coding, you can
> save the user time in reloading a page or make it easier and more
> interactive to perform a task, thus saving bandwidth and other system
> resources.
>
>
>
> Kyle Tuskey
> eXostream Communications
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:24 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] JavaScript List?
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2002 at 10:40:36PM -0400, SolTek wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know of any list I can join for seeking help with
> JavaScript?
>
> /dev/null  :)
>
> While I'm joking, I'm also serious.  The only legitimate use for
> Java'sCrap is mouseovers.  Relying on the browser/client for anything
> isn't wise.
>
> Most things done with JS can be done server side much more accurately.
> That's why you've subscribed to a PHP list, no?  :)
>
> See http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/weberror.htm?j=y for more
> info.
>
> --Dan
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