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[John Lacey]

Michael Southwell wrote:
> At 09:56 PM 12/3/2003, you wrote:
> 
>> damn, being from Phila and having worked in the City from time to 
>> time, I sure miss East Coast food.. ya just can't get a good sammich 
>> out here in Colorado :(
> 
> 
> ah, but your skiing is better!
> 
> 

true dat Michael... Steamboat Spring's champagne powder is a 
pleasure to do a face plant in :))

btw, I worked for Steamboat's Ski and Resort Corp for a year 
and 2 summers on their central reservations system -- AT&T 
Unix with an Informix back end... tough job but someone had 
to do it :)




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John Lacey wrote:

> 
> 
> Michael Southwell wrote:
> 
>> At 09:56 PM 12/3/2003, you wrote:
>>
>>> damn, being from Phila and having worked in the City from time to 
>>> time, I sure miss East Coast food.. ya just can't get a good sammich 
>>> out here in Colorado :(
>>
>>
>>
>> ah, but your skiing is better!
>>
>>
> 
> true dat Michael... Steamboat Spring's champagne powder is a pleasure to 
> do a face plant in :))
> 
> btw, I worked for Steamboat's Ski and Resort Corp for a year and 2 
> summers on their central reservations system -- AT&T Unix with an 
> Informix back end... tough job but someone had to do it :)

There's already a PHP Cruise.  I think a PHP Ski Trip with tutorials, sessions, powder and hot chocolate would be great :)

H



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-sry wrote:

>>See, I told you this was a better place to get questions answered than
>>the wwwac.
>> 
> 
> Hey! Now don't go comparing apples to oranges--wwwac is still
> better for plenty of things, if nothing else, the wwwacies themselves! :)
> We have lots of fun over there and occasionally get some work
> done, too!  For the focused topic of PHP or PHP/mySQL, yes,
> this is HEAVEN :-) So glad I found you guys.

You should also check out the NYFE (New York Front End) list, also at http://nyphp.org/lists

It focuses on client-side coding and interaction between PHP and client side languages - crazy guys, but they're great  :)

> Jeff, thanks for the list of books - I have no money for any books
> right now but the Great American Public Library system seems to
> keep themselves pretty well-stocked on computer-related things 
> here in Cambridge. Big surprise, huh? <<g>> 
> 
> I'll see what I can find. I think O'Reilly needs to have a "large 
> consumer's club" or "Book of the Month" club  where if you buy 
> at least 8 books a year, you get one free or something :-D  The 
> only things besides clothes that I have paid to ship internationally 
> (no less than 3 times) are my computer and engineering 
> books--more than half of them ORA. I want something back, 
> darnit.

NYPHP's book review program might help.  We've got a couple great books left and request more from the publishers.  The books are free, but we ask that you write a short review of the book.  See http://nyphp.org/library for more.

Hans



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John Lacey wrote:
>
> Tim Gales wrote:
> 
>> ".. wouldn't it be  nice if well-designed secure components (pcom?) 
>> were  available that one could go to the 'lego box' and pull out  what 
>> you need to put it together..."
>>
>> Are you saying that Pear doesn't do this?

I would say PEAR doesn't do this for a number of reasons.  For one, PEAR is not modular (component) based.  It's a framework with a great deal of interdependancy that provides a large and varied set of functionality.  PEAR doesn't provide isolated functionality - it's all PEAR or nothing.  More of an erector set than legos? :)

PCOMs, or any component based system, are isolated from each other.  There are no dependancies between components, and each provides a very specific set of functionality - yet, the functionality is generic (could be used and reused in any environment).

Personally, and not to come down on PEAR or CPAN too much, but a large, complex and interconnected framework is more prone to security issues, not to mention performance and maintainability.  A component model allows specific functionality to be extremely well tested, maintained and deployed.

My 2 cents,

H