MySQL 4.1.4 (Gamma) which is described at: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/News-4.1.4.html is now available at: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/4.1.html This will probably change next Monday from a holiday to a 'labor' day for quite a few of us. T. Gales & Associates 'Helping People Connect with Technology' http://www.tgaconnect.com