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[Jon Baer]

It was pretty funny to listen how DHH of RoR called PHP "the devil"  
in the Chicago presentation ..
http://www.djangoproject.com/snakesandrubies/

I think much of what he disliked is reflective of pre-OO PHP, I think  
in a nutshell someone just beat everyone to a clean clear  
ActiveRecord API and tons of videocasts :-)

Im currently playing around w/ Trails (java), Rails, and CakePHP and  
so far I think the DRY comfort in Rails is the best for now (opinion)  
but still wait to see what the Zend framework will offer.  Is there  
any further word on it?

I think someone I overheard @ B&N the other day put it nicely that  
there shouldn't have to be books upon books about PHP database  
connectivity, security, etc (Java same problem) that make up the  
actual language and the reason for Rails pickup is that it is a clear  
concise path in which "you don't have to worry about that stuff".   
Something which makes up for our fast-paced XP environments we have  
today.

- Jon

On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:52 AM, Kenneth Downs wrote:

> Well I don't have his clout but i picked it for the same reason.
>
> I wrote my company's basic app first in C#, then converted it to Java,
> then PHP.  PHP wants to help me work, Java wants to tell me what to
> believe.
>
>> Just thought it worth highlighting how Bruce Eckel (C++ standards  
>> guy,
>> long time C/Java expert author) wrote an article in December about
>> technical aspects of Ruby/Rails evangelism entitled "the Departure of
>> the Hyper Enthusiasts". He touched on C/C++, Java, Python, Ruby, and
>> Perl, comparing and contrastng them as solutions. He ends up picking
>> PHP5 because:
>>
>> " I'm going to find something drop-dead simple to solve my drop-dead
>> simple problems. Probably PHP5, which actually includes most of  
>> Java and
>> C++ syntax, amazingly enough, and I wonder if that isn't what made  
>> IBM
>> adopt it."
>>
>> http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=106&thread=141312
>>
>> I paid very-serious-money to learn C++ from Bruce many years ago, and
>> repeated with an intro Java course when it took over. As an advanced
>> instructor he's been around the block with the details... he's not  
>> just
>> a talking head. So it is interesting to me when he abandons Zope and
>> Python for his web app because he wants a simple solution to the  
>> common
>> problem of web-based database driven application. He loves Python,  
>> but
>> chooses PHP over Rails and python for the MVC app that is driving  
>> Rails
>> popularity.
>>
>> I could have told him that :-)
>>
>> On the other hand, is this a sign of PHP's new corporate love affair,
>> and can we now expect traveling PHP trainers pursuing "enterprise
>> application development with PHP" gigs?
>>
>> -=john andrews (holding on to his hat)
>> htp://www.seo-fun.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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