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[Cliff Hirsch]

I just found those figures too. Doesn't say who that 6% is. Seems small, but
6% of a billion is a big #. A bit scary if you have a broad target audience.

On 2/26/07 10:24 AM, "Andy Dirnberger" <dirn at dirnonline.com> wrote:

> I usually use http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp as a rough
> guide.  It shows 94% JavaScript on, 6% off for January 2007.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Withington
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:08 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Thoughts on using JavaScript with no progressive
> fall-back
> 
> I agree.  With absolutely no data to back this up, I bet any "serious"
> web user has JavaScript on and probably [relatively] up-to-date on their
> browser version.  So, like the proverbial Willy Sutton reply, [Why do you rob
> banks, Willy?] "Cause that's where the money is"
> 
> Why do we write code with no progressive fall-back? "Cause that's where the
> money is"
> 
> On 2/26/07, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Cliff Hirsch wrote:
>>  I'm seeing more and more applications that simply do not work if
>> JavaScript is turned off. In fact, I'm looking at purchasing a slick
>> shopping cart that seems great, but I think the lack of progressive fallback
>> is a show stopper.
>> 
>>  Whatever happened to building a robust PHP application and only then
>> layering on the client-side enhancements? To me this lack of
>> progressive fall-back is just laziness, arrogance, or the victim of
>> the usual time pressures. This isn't an opinionated group ‹ right?! So
>> I curious to here what others think.
>> 
>>  It's probably just market trends.  Fewer and fewer people have
>> Javascript turned off (or so it is perceived), and so they are less
>> and less of a constituency.  At some point a person says, why am I
>> bothering with this for? Or, how far back to I have to remain
>> compatible? Then a lot of people say that, and suddenly Javascript is
>> required.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Are there any data sources that measure what browsers people are
>> using today and what percentage of people turn JS off or don't have it?
>> 
>>  Cliff ________________________________
>>