[nycphp-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 28

Douglas Clifton dwclifton at
Fri Jan 12 11:23:59 EST 2007

> David Mintz wrote:
> > This thread probably belongs on front-end but... no doubt but that tables
> > are for tabular data. There's a nice SitePoint book about kicking the
> > table habit:  Forms are the one
> > thing with which I haven't been able to get clean and sober, because
> > aligning all the elements with pure CSS -- at least for a non-guru like
> > myself, judging from the solutions I've seen and tried -- is a PITA.
> >
> >
> And that is the reason why so many people use tables for layout. CSS is
> all nice and pretty, but absolutely unusable from a design standpoint.
> Most people do well with visual design tools (table) rather than with
> detached and abstract descriptions of the design (CSS). I yet have to
> find a decent CSS editor that makes this whole nightmare into a dream. I
> tend to say CSS sucks, but that is plain unfair and incorrect. CSS is
> kewl, it is the lack of plain simple to use tools for CSS that get CSS
> to be sidelined.

Douglas Clifton
dwclifton at

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