NYCPHP Meetup

[Shahan Avedian]

As  a recruiter, in my opinion whenever I read those type of things the first thing I think about is that the job does not pay a lot of money.

The term "rockstar" is their inarticulate way of trying to find someone senior with plenty of work experience.   When you see "foosball" and "Star Wars Trivia"  that is usually code for "we are going to try to say things to take the focus off of compensation"   I don't think it has anything to do with male vs. female...but it probably means everyone there is young


 They're led by a management team with a track record of

> success in the online world, and their current investors are made up of some of the most respected names in the business.

Whenever a posting has to references "investors" it usually means the source of your salary is coming from venture funding and not actual profits generated by the business.  If you sell 1 widget in September and 2 widgets in October you can say you grew by 100%..so when ads talk about rapid growth rate it usually implies it's a small place.   Revenue growth does not translate into profitable or viable business model.

I recruit for many other skillsets then PHP but it seems these types of Hype are more typical of PHP centric positions.

What I would know as a candidate is "What does it pay?"  and recuriters should list the salary or hourly rate into the job description.  Few job descriptions do that.

SA

From: jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Laura
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:10 PM
To: Kristina D. H. Anderson
Cc: Victor Olteanu; jobs at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Question: Re: Senior PHP5 developer - Social media

It's funny how most of these things are code words for "male."

Except, actually, not so much funny at all...

Laura

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Kristina D. H. Anderson <ka at kacomputerconsulting.com<mailto:ka at kacomputerconsulting.com>> wrote:
So in other words, unless the job posting specifically contains the
exact phrases "foosball", "rock star", "Star Wars trivia" or "we all
enjoy going out after work together for a beer, and you should really
want to do that with us"...

I think I'm starting to understand.

Kristina



>
> I think it means it's a cohesive group. In some companies nobody
talks to
> each other, and it seems what they're saying is that these guys are
friendly
> and communicative, which is something I personally consider a big
plus.
>
> V
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Kristina D. H. Anderson <
> ka at kacomputerconsulting.com<mailto:ka at kacomputerconsulting.com>> wrote:
>
> > I'm wondering what it means to other people on this list when they
read
> > something like "This is a group that works and plays well together."
> >
> > Does this mean that socializing with co-workers is a requirement of
the
> > job?  That the office environment is loud and boisterous [see, viz.,
> > other job postings that mention foosball in the office, etc.] and
that
> > concentration may therefore be a difficult task?  Does it mean that
> > there is a high value placed on "fitting in" i.e. that the team be
> > homogeneous and therefore they are probably looking to bring in only
> > people of a certain "type" to be on the "team"...?
> >
> > Your comments and feedback are appreciated and hope that this is in
the
> > spirit of sincere discussion about how to read job postings!
> >
> > - Kristina
> >
> >
> >
> > > Agreed all - let's keep comments useful and traffic to a minimum -
> > not to
> > > sound like a third grade teacher, but constructive criticism is
> > welcomed and
> > > benefits both job hunters and recruiters.  Having a good
discussion
> > with wit
> > > is also important, but do remember that this list gets a lot of
> > traffic for
> > > a jobs list.
> > >
> > > H
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org> [mailto:jobs-<mailto:jobs->
> > > > bounces at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:bounces at lists.nyphp.org>] On Behalf Of John Schoneboom
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:06 AM
> > > > To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:jobs at lists.nyphp.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Senior PHP5 developer - Social media
> > > >
> > > > Gotta weigh in on the side of the wise-asses.  Brian's comment
is
> > well
> > > > taken and it's true we don't want to discourage job posters.
On the
> > > > other hand I think there's equally good if not better value in
using
> > > > this network to reality-check with each other once in a while.
Wise
> > > > cracks not only keep things a bit fun but they also can reflect
some
> > > > truths about the market.  I wouldn't sleep well at night
thinking
> > the
> > > > rest of you were unanimously going around thinking of
yourselves in
> > > > all earnestness as rockstars out to change the world with your
> > passion
> > > > to work 20 hours a day.  If we can have the slightest influence
on
> > > > employer's expectations by means of our sarcastic feedback, so
much
> > > > the better.
> > > >
> > > > John
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