[nycphp-jobs] CTO/Lead Engineer Opportunity
guilhermeblanco at gmail.com
guilhermeblanco at gmail.com
Mon Apr 11 17:50:48 EDT 2011
Guys,
I think you're being rude with the original poster.
He is just selling his fish, like you do almost daily on this list.
I never directly spoke with Kristina, neither I live in US (I'm
actually from Brazil), but I found her first email very aggressive and
rude.
I think the guy was trying to say he wants someone to be a CTO that
has "Open Team" in mind.
What I said here is something that I would love to see in whatever
company I'd work for. This talk from Cal Evans illustrates a lot what
employees expect from their bosses:
http://blog.calevans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Open-Teams1.pdf
Maybe the guy used wrong words (I love to drink a beer at work, but
it's also prohibited in Brazil - I just think it shouldn't be
mentioned on job posting), but it's his way to do so. It's the same
thing if any of you misspell something - as I probably did -, and in
20min appears tons of emails making fun of it.
I expect more maturity not only on job postings, but also from anyone
that follows this list.
Thanks,
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Edward Prevost <Me at edwardprevost.info> wrote:
> You know I usually try to just ignore you Kristina,
>
> But you're once again (I think your sophomoric statements about
> Coldfusion was the last cause for me to pipe-up) creating an atmosphere
> to this list that I find "a total turnoff", and a sad reflection of your
> character.
>
> The reason this list exists is for those with professional PHP skills to
> have an easily accessible stream of available positions. If a poster
> posts positions that are most surely PHP intensive, and if they do so
> with a passion as to attract a particular type of candidate, it is
> completely within the scope of this list.
>
> I'd rather have more posts of that than "Python programmer needed... who
> may have seen the letters 'P','H' and 'P' coupled together in a sentence
> at some point in time" type posts.
>
> Your hateful, insulting and just plain liable (The poster never
> mentioned age requirements) comments are in no way, shape or form
> helping people using this list, nor fairly representing the intelligent
> and professional subscription base. If you have criticisms to offer of
> the poster, having perhaps first-hand experience that an
> environment/position is not as it is being portrayed, then by all means
> share; but to just take the opportunity to lash-out at a post that you
> feel doesn't cater particularly to you and your employment needs is
> immature and ultimately poorly reflective of the professionals on this list.
>
> Mr Bonaddio I apologize on behalf of the list for Kristina's lack of
> wisdom in responding to your post, and I appreciate you taking the time
> and interest to post to our list, and to seek to describe the
> environment of your organization clearly. There are certainly members
> of this list that would find your available position intriguing, and
> there are others that may be very uninterested; alas, this is always the
> case in any industry, but your attempt to be up-front about the
> atmosphere I commend and appreciate.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed
>
> On 4/11/2011 5:23 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote:
>> Us old ladies don't know ANYTHING about music, we listen to that, you
>> know, old lady type music.
>> We just would NOT fit in, it's quite certain.
>>
>> On 4/11/2011 4:56 PM, Norm Shulman wrote:
>>> Doesn't the music choice say - " only Hipsters Need Apply" :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>>> [mailto:jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Kristina Anderson
>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 4:53 PM
>>> To: Matt Juszczak
>>> Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] CTO/Lead Engineer Opportunity
>>>
>>> It may be becoming more common, but it's a total turnoff to most
>>> people. It
>>> doesn't seem like good business to limit oneself to hiring those
>>> under 25
>>> and/or those with alcohol abuse problems, especially for
>>> a CTO position...? You're automatically excluding the best talent from
>>> the search from the get-go, and attracting the sort of employee who
>>> won't be
>>> able to do the work properly, thereby resulting in a poor product.
>>>
>>> There's no way a job post like that can yield any "top talent".
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2011 4:46 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote:
>>>> Kristina,
>>>>
>>>> In their defense, this kind of agile, work hard, play hard environment
>>>> is becoming much more common. One of the largest start-ups I know
>>>> gladly gives free alcohol to their employees, and yes, they drink
>>>> during the day. But no is irresponsible, and it's been rated one of
>>>> the top companies to work for. Like Nik's company (I assume), they
>>>> are looking for top talent and wouldn't hire people who are likely to
>>>> abuse the system. My guess is (though I don't know Nik) that his
>>>> company also has an extremely relaxed vacation policy, because it
>>>> isn't about the time you take, it's about the work you accomplish.
>>>>
>>>> -Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Kristina Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> These are the sorts of job posts that just make me look forward to
>>>>> switching to a different career... "kegerator"& "beer pong"?
>>>>> I should want to hang out with you outside of work and watch you
>>>>> drink until you puke while listening to loud rock& roll music?
>>>>> (From the tone of the below it seems like you may be doing this
>>>>> during the workday!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly nobody in this awesome company has yet seen their 25th
>>>>> birthday...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/11/2011 3:47 PM, Nik Bonaddio wrote:
>>>>> I'm not a recruiter. Recruiters are lame and have no idea what
>>>>> they're doing. I know exactly what I'm looking for, so I'm
>>>>> posting here.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's start with the boring stuff up front: We're a small,
>>>>> agile, well-trafficked startup in the sports analytics space.
>>>>> We've been covered by TechCrunch, we've been written up in
>>>>> Sports Illustrated, and now we're going to revolutionize the
>>>>> way
>>>>> users consume and engage with sports content. Our founders are
>>>>> ballers, our advisors are even more ballerous, and just wait
>>>>> until you see our product..
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're someone who loves sports and also loves building
>>>>> products, then we're your company. Even if you're not a huge
>>>>> sports fan, feel free to reach out to us - we're more
>>>>> interested
>>>>> in someone who knows how to get stuff done. If you're wondering
>>>>> what kind of people we're like socially, we have a kegerator in
>>>>> our office and our most played artist on iTunes is Animal
>>>>> Collective. You should be able to get our jokes and we
>>>>> should be
>>>>> able to want to hang out with you outside of work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our stack is built on PHP and MySQL, but we're considering
>>>>> moving to Couch or Mongo. What do you suggest? We'd love to
>>>>> know. We have a world-class designer and front-end developer on
>>>>> board, we need to find someone who is comfortable on the PHP
>>>>> backend, taking things from the browser-level all the way down
>>>>> to the DB. We're not looking for someone who is merely good;
>>>>> we're looking for great - '85 Bears great. Lemieux in the 91-92
>>>>> playoffs great. Lemonade and BBQ on a Summer afternoon great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Skillsets:
>>>>>
>>>>> o Excellent PHP skills (should be comfortable building out an
>>>>> application scalable to 100,000 daily uniques)
>>>>> o Knowledgeable of system-wide architecture (setting up
>>>>> version control, release engineering structs, etc.)
>>>>> o Comfortable working in a fast-paced startup setting
>>>>> o Familiarity with beer pong and general precepts of social
>>>>> skill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice to have:
>>>>>
>>>>> o Familiarity with HTML/CSS/jQuery (not totally necessary as
>>>>> we already have a world-class designer and front-end)
>>>>> o Sports fan (big, big plus - let us know what your favorite
>>>>> team is)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What we're not:
>>>>>
>>>>> o Some huge, boring company where you'll have meetings about
>>>>> meetings
>>>>> o A company that works in a space that you could care less
>>>>> about
>>>>> o A startup that values founder's valuations over the future
>>>>> gains of the employees
>>>>> o A company founded by a bunch of suits who can't code Hello
>>>>> World in BASIC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even though we're a startup, this is a salary position. We'll
>>>>> shell out for the right employee. There is also a TON of equity
>>>>> involved; you're the third employee and huge part of our future
>>>>> success - we'll take care of you. You should ideally be in NYC,
>>>>> but that won't stop us from moving forward with the right
>>>>> person.
>>>>>
>>>>> To apply, just send us a resume (please send
>>>>> nik at numberfire.com)
>>>>> and we'll go from there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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