NYCPHP Meetup

[Zeev Suraski]

Guys,

I got forwarded this letter, and I want to try and gain as much as possible 
from it, in terms of improving the installations so that they fit 
everyone's needs.  I just want you to know that the guys @Zend are really 
not Redhat-centric, and that installations get tested on most of the big 
distros.  It's impossible to support them all, but we do try :)

One thing I firmly believe in is that 'assumption is the mother of all 
mess-ups' (that's the G rated version) - in this case, we assume that 
everything's fine because we don't get bug reports, and you assume that 
we're aware of these problems and feel frustrated that we don't care about 
them enough to fix them.  In reality, apparently, there are problems, but 
we're not aware of them, and the result is negative...  Sorry for the short 
lecture :)

As for the problems with the installation, the Perl script, assumptions 
that you believe we make erroneously, unclear questions - please let me 
know about them.  I promise that we'll do our best to fix them in the next 
release (which is coming out very shortly).

Thanks,

Zeev

>From: charles at softwareprototypes.com
>[mailto:charles at softwareprototypes.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:36 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Installing ZendStudio_Server. Anybody know
>how?
>
>
>
>Hello Hans,
>
>good thing I'm NOT in a hurry. Still I'd like it installed before the
>next php course (May's got "canceled".)
>
>I'll grant that slackware is perhaps not your run-of-the-mill distro,
>(atually it respects the Linux directory structure more than RedHat
>does.) No customized set up will be perfectly compliant with any
>scheme. Which makes explanation of the installer questions and their
>answers even more important.
>
>Installing on Mac OS X would be a breeze since the ONLY way is the OS
>X way and the OS X installers don't have to contend with any
>directory variance. Apps go in the Applications folder or one of its
>subfolders and that's that. Host servable Web documents go in
>"<startUpDisk>:Library:WebServer:Documents:" User documents go in
>"<startUpDisk>:Users:<user>:Sites:"
>
>However,the Linux world is NOT Mac OS X. Its important to provide
>good information so that installation can occur on the various
>distributions. I think its a pain that only RedHat's directory
>structure is supported right out of the tar file but that's my
>opinion.
>
>Still, its inexcusable that Zend does not provide enough information
>to let people who are using another distro to "roll their own". I'm
>getting used to doing this since RedHat is our 800lb Gorilla
>regardless of what I might think, but can't claim to be thrilled at
>this "contre-temps" since it only the crappyness of the installation
>instructions that stands between me, multi-platform clients and a
>usable ZendStudio Server.
>
>-Charles-A
>
> > From: Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com>
> > Organization: New York PHP
> > Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:19:42 -0400
> > To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Installing ZendStudio_Server. Anybody
>know how?
> >
> >
> >> Basically their installer (a perl script) sucks. It asks questions
> >> that I can't figure out or can't find/disambiguate the right answer
> >> to. (I do "find / -name '<whatever>' -print" and come up with X
> >> answers, which one am I supposed to use?)
> >
> > Well I don't think I can make it to Jersey City any time soon, but
>post
> > what the questions are it asks you that are giving you trouble and
> > maybe we can get you started.  The Perl script may very well be
>poorly
> > written, but Slackware is known for not being "your average" Linux
> > distro these days; altough I'd never leave it.
> >
> > Hans Z.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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