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[jim.bishop]

I'm a big fan of emacs in php-mode for PHP development.  It lays things
out nicely, and I can clean up other programmers inferior spacing
preferences in a snap.

More importantly, the idea of editing live files with vi/vim makes my
stomach flip.  I think any talk of using vim should be coupled with talk
of production servers vs. development servers, CVS, and rsync.  The cost
of "not having to FTP files" is far outweighed by sloppy development
standards.

My 2 cents.

jim.bishop


> once you get accustomed to using visual blocks you'll realize that you
> don't need anything but vim for editing.
>
> then there's the whole issue of not having to ftp files back and forth
> with the server and getting confused on versioning.
>
> that's my 2 cents... that's 6 more cents than vim costs, btw :)
>
>
> >
> > ok, another 2 cents from me  again (I'm working up to a nickel) -- in
> > addition to Arachnophilia (cross platform), I've used Bluefish and
> > Quanta which are both "homesitish" as I'm sure you've heard.
> >
> > So far as vi/vim is concerned, I use a really short 'subset' of
> > functions when working remotely via ssh (I use putty on windows).  I'm
> > not keen on developing with vi/vim (although I use vim for windows for
> > quick file reading and occasional editing).  Of course, the "esc" key to
> > get back into command mode and the "i" key to get into insert mode --
> > ":wq" to write and exit, ":q!" to exit without writing when I've made a
> > changes I want to ignore, and every once in a while "/" for searching.
> > That's it -- otherwise it's all GUI.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > David Mintz wrote:
> >
> > >Can't resist putting my belated $.02 into this religious thread.
> > >
> > >On Windoze I've long used Homesite, but there's a tendency to stay with
> > >the first reasonable tool you learn to use. Maybe something else is
> > >better. But anything with a tough learning curve is a buzzkiller when
> > >you're busy. That's what's slowing me down with adopting vim on Linux.  A
> > >good GUI is great but it's nice to be handy with a nonGUI editor for when
> > >you SSH into a machine where you don't have the luxury of X. So I keep
> > >trying.
> > >
> > >Meanwhile I've been playing with eclipse on both platforms -- yes it
> has a
> > >learning curve too, but it's got a lot of cool stuff going for it, and
> > >it's free.  http://eclipse.org
> > >
> > >---
> > >David Mintz
> > >http://davidmintz.org/
> > >Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
> > >
> > >Decibels of sound pressure employed by a new "thermoacoustic"
> refrigerator: 190
> > >Decibels of sounds pressure sufficient to ignite a person's hair: 165
> > >
> > >	-- Harper's Index, February 2003