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[Joe Crawford Jr.]

I would work for $500 a week as long as that was after taxes ;)

i am in Vermont heh and i have no degree, however i gurantee you my coding
style and skills are top level ;)

Joe Crawford Jr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jayesh Sheth" <jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more


> Hello all,
>
> I came across an interesting ad on Google which led me here:
> http://php-mysql-developer.com/default.aspx?aff=google&key=php_india_6mo
>
> It seemes a programmer in India who lives outside of where I grew up
> (Pune) is advertising his services on Google. He is the requesting the
> small sum of $500 per week for his services, provided that he is
> guaranteed a minimum of 6 months of employment.
>
> In his FAQ, he has these snippets:
>
> "
> What do I seek?
> I am looking for a full-time telecommuting job as a PHP/MySQL developer.
> I will work as a WEB-BASED employee to your company , or in other words,
> I will work from my location and communicate with you over the Internet.
>
> [...]
>
> Isn't the salary you are asking for, low?
> NO. I live in India where a salary of $500 is sufficient for my needs,
> provided I have a job security.
>
> [...]
> What are your other traits?
> Intelligent, Sharp, Hard working, tech-savvy, self-managing, honest,
> committed, excellent communication skills.
>
> I hope I have answered some of your questions. Here is MY CHALLENGE :
> I can perform the job of TWO developers alone. I can take up projects
> from scratch, design and develop them all by myself. The end result
> would be comparable or BETTER than what a developer with $80,000 annual
> salary would do! GUARANTEED!!
> "
>
> I just visited my family in India this spring, and I say with certainty
> that $2000 per month is a HUGE sum in India. Even talented developers
> there are paid $500 - $600 per month.
>
> I have nothing against outsourcing - I think it can be quite useful in
> some cases. But the thing is, it is surprising to find individuals based
> in India marketing themselves with such self-assurance: asking $2000 per
> month and 6 months of *guaranteed* employement and claiming to be able
> to do the work of two people over that period of time.
>
> This curious offer could mean one of several things:
> - The demand for outsourced services from India has gone up so much that
> their prices will soon be approaching New York prices
> - This guy is marketing himself at prices WAY above standard Indian
> rates and in fact employing other people
> - Another, unknown factor is at work
>
> On a side note, I recently posted a help wanted ad on Craigslist for
> some direct (snail) mail marketing work - I got over 100 resumes, some
> from people with MBAs. And from operating in the New York tech market
> for some time now, I know what kind of pressure there is on the price of
> services. Often, if I propose an hourly rate, the sale won't be made or
> will be harder than if I had proposed a fixed bid for a project.
>
> So, putting any resentment or bias aside, can anyone else explain what's
> going on here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jay Sheth
> PS: some time ago there was a thread at NYPHP talk which I did not
> bother to respond to; it went something like this (I am exagerating):
> PHP programmers in India are paid $10 per month! OMG! Well, rest assured
> that they are paid a decent amount ($200 - $500 per month), but
> definitely NOT $2000 per month. Even graduates from their top colleges
> (IIT, for example), make about $8000 - $10000 per year.
>
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