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[Phillip Powell]

Joe Crawford Jr. wrote:

>I would work for $500 a week as long as that was after taxes ;)
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>i am in Vermont heh and i have no degree, however i gurantee you my coding
>style and skills are top level ;)
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>Joe Crawford Jr.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jayesh Sheth" <jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com>
>To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:43 PM
>Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
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>>Hello all,
>>
>>I came across an interesting ad on Google which led me here:
>>http://php-mysql-developer.com/default.aspx?aff=google&key=php_india_6mo
>>
>>It seemes a programmer in India who lives outside of where I grew up
>>(Pune) is advertising his services on Google. He is the requesting the
>>small sum of $500 per week for his services, provided that he is
>>guaranteed a minimum of 6 months of employment.
>>
>>In his FAQ, he has these snippets:
>>
>>"
>>What do I seek?
>>I am looking for a full-time telecommuting job as a PHP/MySQL developer.
>>I will work as a WEB-BASED employee to your company , or in other words,
>>I will work from my location and communicate with you over the Internet.
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>Isn't the salary you are asking for, low?
>>NO. I live in India where a salary of $500 is sufficient for my needs,
>>provided I have a job security.
>>
>>[...]
>>What are your other traits?
>>Intelligent, Sharp, Hard working, tech-savvy, self-managing, honest,
>>committed, excellent communication skills.
>>
>>I hope I have answered some of your questions. Here is MY CHALLENGE :
>>I can perform the job of TWO developers alone. I can take up projects
>>from scratch, design and develop them all by myself. The end result
>>would be comparable or BETTER than what a developer with $80,000 annual
>>salary would do! GUARANTEED!!
>>"
>>
>>I just visited my family in India this spring, and I say with certainty
>>that $2000 per month is a HUGE sum in India. Even talented developers
>>there are paid $500 - $600 per month.
>>
>>I have nothing against outsourcing - I think it can be quite useful in
>>some cases. But the thing is, it is surprising to find individuals based
>>in India marketing themselves with such self-assurance: asking $2000 per
>>month and 6 months of *guaranteed* employement and claiming to be able
>>to do the work of two people over that period of time.
>>
>>This curious offer could mean one of several things:
>>- The demand for outsourced services from India has gone up so much that
>>their prices will soon be approaching New York prices
>>- This guy is marketing himself at prices WAY above standard Indian
>>rates and in fact employing other people
>>- Another, unknown factor is at work
>>
>>On a side note, I recently posted a help wanted ad on Craigslist for
>>some direct (snail) mail marketing work - I got over 100 resumes, some
>>from people with MBAs. And from operating in the New York tech market
>>for some time now, I know what kind of pressure there is on the price of
>>services. Often, if I propose an hourly rate, the sale won't be made or
>>will be harder than if I had proposed a fixed bid for a project.
>>
>>So, putting any resentment or bias aside, can anyone else explain what's
>>going on here?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>- Jay Sheth
>>PS: some time ago there was a thread at NYPHP talk which I did not
>>bother to respond to; it went something like this (I am exagerating):
>>PHP programmers in India are paid $10 per month! OMG! Well, rest assured
>>that they are paid a decent amount ($200 - $500 per month), but
>>definitely NOT $2000 per month. Even graduates from their top colleges
>>(IIT, for example), make about $8000 - $10000 per year.
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$500/wk wouldn't buy you dinner where I live (Washington, DC).

Phil

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