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[nycphp-talk] php for mailing list app?

robyn overstreet robynover at gmail.com
Thu Jun 29 09:36:39 EDT 2006


Thanks for all the responses! Very helpful.
Robyn

On 6/27/06, Anirudh Zala <arzala at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Robyn,
>
> It seems that basically there is not such package that can satisfy all
> your needs. So either you may combine different different
> packages/software that can serve your purpose or design your own custom
> application.
>
> Your custom application's logic can be divided into 4 steps (scripts)
>
> 1: mailScheduler.php
> 2: sendMail.php
> 3: checkBounceMail.php
> 4: mailLog.php
>
> 1st and 4th script are intended to run from browser, while 2nd and 3rd are
>  from CLI. Logic can be as mentioned below:
>
> +> "mailScheduler.php" will determine how many mails are to be sent, to
> whom, what content will be etc. It can be, in fact, your regular script
> that can generate above information. Instead of sending those mails
> directly (which is your 1st problem domain), store them in database as it
> is. (i.e in various fields like mail_to, mail_from, mail_content,
> mail_status, date_send etc.) In short mailScheduler.php will insert mail
> related information into database with mail_status=Q (Q means queue).
>
> +> As soon as insertion of data is finished, you can call script
> "sendMail.php" to run from CLI from above script using many methods like
> using functions, using Backtick operator etc. (about how to run PHP script
> in background from command line by executing that command from script
> running in browser). Read reply of "drydell at optonline.net". This script
> will simply read those inserted content from database, maybe do some other
> foo stuffs, and will start sending mail and then it will set value of
> field mail_status=S (S means sent). If you have 10 000 mails to be sent
> then it wont take more than 15 minutes to finish execution in normal case.
>
> +> As soon as execution of above script is finished, either you can call
> 3rd script "checkBounceMail.php" immediately from above running CLI script
> to check whether any mails are bounced or not by checking mails from that
> account or schedule that script in Cron to check bounced mail at every
> hour and parsing content of bounced mail and marking status of field
> mail_status=B (B means bounced)
>
> +> 4th script is special script which will manually read content from
> database, at any stage during execution of any 1st, 2nd or 3rd script, and
> will list status of all mails whether Q or S or B according to value of
> filed mail_status (and other information if required). Since this is
> manual script it will need to be clicked in browser in order to display
> desired results. Alternatively if you want automatic results then you can
> make this script to be run from CLI and set it's execution time in Cron
> and it will then notify results via email etc.
>
> By this way, I think within an hour everything will be scanned and report
> can be generated. There are also many other issues to be handled while
> sending mass mails like setting bounced mail address, how to read bounced
> mails etc. but since you have not asked, no need to reply at this moment.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anirudh Zala
>
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:15:50 +0530, robyn overstreet <robynover at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 6/26/06, Donald J Organ IV <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
> >> Well create a cron job that runs every x amount of minutes that looks
> >> for messages that have say the Send field set to 1 in the database.
> >
> > Great! That makes sense.
> >
> > Still wondering how to let the user know the status of the process
> > from the browser. Obviously, the browser PHP could check the database
> > repeatedly to see if the send field is set to 0, but that might create
> > a long wait also. Additionally, is it reasonable to query the database
> > in a cron job every minute? Every 5 minutes? The client will probably
> > only use the app weekly or monthly, but of course it needs to be ready
> > at any time.
> >
> > TIA
> > Robyn
> >
> >> robyn overstreet wrote:
> >> > On 6/26/06, Donald J Organ IV <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I believe that if you run the script that sends the emails from the
> >> >> command line using say cron that the PHP has no max execution time.
> >> >> This may help.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thank you. That's helpful. It makes sense that if I run the script
> >> > behind the scenes, not only will it not time out, but the user won't
> >> > be affected by the 'long' time it takes to send mail. Since I'm
> >> > writing a web application, though, I don't think cron will help -- I
> >> > need to run the script (not in the browser) when the user hits "send
> >> > to subscribers". Any suggestions on how to do this?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Robyn
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> robyn overstreet wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi all-
> >> >>> I'm working on a mailing list (announcement only) for a client and
> >> I'm
> >> >>> trying to decide if using PHP is the way to go. I'm more comfortable
> >> >>> with PHP than with Perl, but it seems that Perl has better email
> >> >>> handling modules available.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> When I've worked with PHP mail() before, my experience was that
> >> even a
> >> >>> relatively small list of about 50 addresses took a while to loop
> >> >>> through and send. I'm concerned that the server will time out for a
> >> >>> larger list. I'm wondering if I need to make a socket connection.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Can anyone point me in a good direction to research?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks in advance-
> >> >>> Robyn
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