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[anthony wlodarski]

Would this work for quantifying PHP usage:

http://www.php.net/usage.php

Now find that CF usage link and compare the two.

-Anthony

Webmaster wrote:
> Kristina Anderson wrote:
>> Ed, I agree, it would be great if we could find some methodology that 
>> could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt on an empirical basis that PHP 
>> is a more popular platform than Cold Fusion.  I can't adequately 
>> defend my contention to your exacting standards at the present moment, 
>> because you're right, I don't have the data.  But I believe that the 
>> data is gatherable and that my theory is valid. 
> I do too. But I would like it quantified as well.
>> So anyone have any ideas how to do that, links, information, empirical 
>> studies, etc. etc & etc ... bring 'em on.
>>
>> We could do an empirical analysis of job postings on 10 or so general 
>> tech job boards over a time period of a year...?
>>   
> That sounds interesting.
>> PS Ed, your own link to the TIOBE website showed that they listed Cold 
>> Fusion at the bottom of the popularity grid...and PHP was in the top 
>> half.  But you're saying that you have "problems with their 
>> methodology", OK.  But you can have problems with any methodology or  
>> means of proof, and that in and of itself is an emotional 
>> response...based on your beliefs and temperament...and btw there's 
>> nothing wrong with that! :=]
>>
>>   
> I believe this to be a straw man.
> I never said I had "problems with their methodology". I said "which i 
> think are erroneous", and logically so.
> I posted a link to the 2 illogical assumptions that support the TIOBE 
> indexes as being fallacious.
> I will clearly list them here, as it seems you didn't follow that link 
> (poor scholarship):
> # that the number of search engine hits for the phrase “/foo/ 
> programming” is proportional to the “popularity” of that language.
> # that the proportionality /is the same for different languages/.
> It is therefore logically unsound to deduce that the TIOBE indexes are 
> correct in a truly accurate esteem.
> All they are graphing reduces to search engine results, and nothing more.
> 
>> I mean let's face it, people have "proved beyond doubt" all sorts of 
>> things which flat out ain't so, right?
>>
>> -- Kristina
>>   
> I'm not sure what you are looking to express with that (perhaps 
> rhetorical?) question.
> 
> <X>Out of curiosity<X>
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> What would be an example of something "proved beyond doubt" that "flat 
> out ain't so"?
> (Please refrain from listing some historic event of ignorance, such as 
> meat becoming maggots or the Earth being flat. We are discussing a 
> comparison of actual market holding betwixt two modern programming 
> languages. Feel free to respond off list.)
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> 
> In fact, there is not a clearly quantified amount of conclusive 
> information to accurately deduce that PHP (or any other language) holds 
> this or that particular portion of the 'market'. Therefore, to propose 
> we find a 'reason' for PHP holding the majority of the 'market share', 
> is pure nonsense, as we do not know that PHP holds such a portion. We 
> may as well propose to find a reason for which Coldfusion holds the 
> largest share of the market, or Python, or Flex, or Java, or COBOL...
> 
> Perhaps this thread may be a catalyst to develop a better means of 
> accurately surveying language utilization in a granular fashion.
> 
> -Ed
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