[nycphp-talk] PHP hosting and standard tool-chain for newbie?

Peter Sawczynec ps at
Thu Apr 23 16:57:45 EDT 2009

That is absolutely true, mostly. If the user does a lot of selecting of
text in Design mode and then applies numerous styles one can get back
mixed up overformatted output from Dreamweaver. But, I've noted that the
application has gotten pretty smart about consolidating redundant
overlapped styles. And, yes, if you let Dreamweaver write code for you
(like rotating divs or a menu), it will dish out some indecipherable
clogged up language. I never use that stuff myself. But, I feel that
every time I have seen a project with the automatic MM code snippets,
they are good, solid, and cross platform.

Meanwhile, I'd like to take a moment to thank all the fine people who
brought us "jquery". As of late I am trying to use jquery for
everything. And the cross platform, browser independent nature of it
seems awesome. 

Seems over the last two years that client side scripting has just broken
out into fresh new heights and every cool, gee-whiz gimmick (slideshows,
dissolves, zoom, drag and drop, sort, mapping) that used to take days or
weeks to painstakingly sculpt can be knocked out in 15 min. and work
just excellently. 

Warmest regards, 
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
ps at 

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2009/4/23 Peter Sawczynec <ps at>:
> This list tends to beat up on Dreamweaver all the time. But, note I am
> not suggesting that Dreamweaver is to be used to code or manage
> PHP web applications.
> But for creating web sites / web pages, I have not come across a
> turned out user interface than Dreamweaver.

Mozilla Composer was my personal favorite. All of the editing features
and a clean professional GUI, for free. Wrote beautiful code, too.

I'm currently converting a site with ~400 obsessively Dreamweavered
pages, and I'm seeing spaghetti code that makes MSHTML look
well-formed. We're talking <font><b><br></b><font></font></font> here,
in every possible nesting combination. And I can't just tidy out the
font tags, because font size was used instead of <h2> and <h3> for

Dreamweaver's main strength, to me, was its ftp client. Much easier to
use than WS_FTP or Fetch or even modern clients like WinSCP or
Transmit. But as an editor for markup? Harmful.
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