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[Jake McGraw]

NYC programmers should be charging much greater than $50/hour. What's
$50/hour after the Federal, State and Local governments get their cut? As a
consultant/part-timer/freelancer you'll be getting paid via 1099, which, at
least in NYC, will be taxed at up to 45%. I haven't worked in finance, but
when I've done parttime consulting, $150/hr was my going rate. In case
anyone is unsure, demand for programmers in many localities is very, very
high. In a hiring environment like this, there should be no reason to
devalue your work to win a contract.

- jake

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Bruce Martin <bmartin at mac.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the replies.
>
> Bruce Martin
> c. 917-727-8230
> p. 570-421-0670
> bmartin at mac.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kristina Anderson wrote:
>
> > Most programmers on this esteemed list, including those who are located
> in remote areas of the U.S., agree that working for substantially less than
> $50 sets a bad example and undercuts a living wage for the whole lot of us.
>  I know many programmers outside of NYC who also earn the standard $50 an
> hour and I think that, for anyone of any reasonable expertise and
> experience, between $45-50 is a very reasonable benchmark and for costing
> out "lump sum" projects, the $2,000 a week figure is useful.
> >
> > Bear in mind that for every hour we bill out, we also incur the cost of
> expenses, business losses through unpaid invoices, unpaid time spent
> marketing, bookkeeping etc.  In reality, billing at $25 an hour would lead
> to a poverty income for any consultant, unless they were consistently able
> to bill 60+ hours each & every week of the year, which is not a reasonable
> or pleasant expectation.
> >
> > Kristina
> >
> > On 4/2/2011 3:56 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
> >> Well, my point wasn't so much an exact price but rather that the rate
> >> you charge largely has to do with where you're providing services. Since
> >> I'm not sure where Bruce is (I am assuming NYC but I don't know) I
> >> simply used a number I'd seen elsewhere. The number itself is
> >> meaningless, really, but the idea was what I was trying to convey.
> >>
> >> You're right though that 'website design' probably does differ a lot in
> >> rate from programming but numbers weren't my point. :-)
> >>
> >> Anthony
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/02/2011 02:39 AM, Kristina Anderson wrote:
> >>> That is incorrect.  Perhaps a few programmers at Wall Street firms are
> >>> getting $90 an hour, but the going rate for normal folks here in NYC is
> >>> about $50/hr.
> >>>
> >>> Although for sure plenty of folks come onto the NYC list and try to
> >>> undercut our rates...
> >>>
> >>> Also "website redesign" is not usually programming but involves other
> >>> skills (like CSS, graphics design, etc).  I would not be surprised to
> >>> see rates differ between that and actual programming tasks.
> >>>
> >>> Kristina
> >>>
> >>> On 4/2/2011 12:04 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
> >>>> Hi Bruce,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it largely depends where you are. For example, if you're in
> >>>> NYC, you can easily command a *much* higher rate than I can here in
> >>>> Oklahoma. In NYC, the going rate is $90+ an hour I hear while I work
> >>>> comfortably here for $25.50 to $30 an hour. So depending on where you
> >>>> are, you might not be undercharging at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Check your competition and see what they charge. Set your prices
> >>>> according to your local market.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anthony
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/1/11, Bruce Martin<bmartin at mac.com>   wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all, I was wondering how much the going rate for a website
> >>>>> redesign is
> >>>>> going for now days. I am always turned down in my town for charging
> too
> >>>>> much, but I really can't see doing a site for less.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think I am under charging. Sorry to bring this up but it is really
> >>>>> eating
> >>>>> away at me, as I know I would have loved to been in on this bidding,
> >>>>> if in
> >>>>> deed it did go up for bid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bruce Martin
> >>>>> c. 917-727-8230
> >>>>> p. 570-421-0670
> >>>>> bmartin at mac.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
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