NYCPHP Meetup

[Kristina Anderson]

Ed,

The reality of this economy is that small & medium sized businesses ARE 
NOT GOING TO PAY more than $2,000 a week for an engineer.

If you disagree, I mean, that's great, I'd love to make twice that but 
the reality is that if I ask for $4,000 a week, I'm going to be looking 
for work for A LONG TIME.  And $2,000 in US cash is worth far more than 
$4,000 in my fantasy world of what I'd "like to earn".

I'll even take $6,500 a month on occasion if the project is for someone 
I want to help.  I think that it's great to aim higher, I am all in 
favor of making the bucks, but in this economy $8,000 a month is A LOT 
in these company's minds.

I agree if someone is getting jerked around and asked for "small 
updates" (which I don't waste time with, I take on larger projects in 
the area of $5,000 + only), then yeah.  But the reality is, $8,000 a 
month is what people earn.   This is provable, this is reality, and 
fantasizing about making what lawyers make isn't going to change that 
reality.

Kristina

On 4/2/2011 12:35 PM, Edgar Reyes wrote:
> Hi Kristina,
>
> No, no assumptions, I sure you are a good programmer, but every one I speak
> to that are PHP programmers specially with as much experience as you have
> are charging a lot more then $50 an hour lol.. Don't you think that after 13
> years you have earned a raise?
>
> Than again I really charge more based on a project not so much per hour, but
> when I do have to come back for what ever time to fix things or small
> updates my rates start at $75 per hour. Heck if the geeksquad can charge
> 69.99 to set up a pc and $49.99 to set up an email account why would I
> charge less than that lol .
>
> Bottom line whether is selling your services or anything else it's only
> worth as much as people are willing to pay for it. but in my opinion you
> should not short change your worth, like I tell my soon to be clients and my
> current clients, I may not be the least expensive but you get what you pay
> for, and I can show clients how a lot of the work that I've have done has
> paid for it self 10 fold if not more, so it's worth the investment and some
> of them don't hire me at that time but do call me back to fix the mess some
> one else makes and then I get to charge them more cause now I have to spend
> time figuring out the mess that some one else made.
>
> ER
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Kristina Anderson
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:20 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?
>
> Ed,
>
> I've been a programmer in NYC for almost 13 years (maybe you assumed
> otherwise because of my gender), I started out in 1998 making $50 an
> hour, and I'm still making $50 an hour, and everyone else I know who is
> a PHP programmer in NYC is making between $45-55 an hour as well (over
> 20 other people that I personally know and have worked with).
>
> It's great to talk about what "should be" or what "could be" but the
> reality is, $50 an hour.
>
> Kristina
>
> On 4/2/2011 11:20 AM, Edgar Reyes wrote:
>> I think we are talking about 2 different things here, one is programming
> and
>> the other is designing, Krista programmers in NYC make a lot more then $50
>> per hour, depending on your skill set and what language you program in.
> For
>> design work yes $50 per hour is about right for simple design work and
> even
>> that is in the lower end, and that can vary depending on the sort of
> design,
>> if it involves some sort of specialize CSS and or flash etc. then it goes
>> up.
>>
>> ER
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