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[nycphp-talk] Pitching PHP to a Java House

edward potter edwardpotter at gmail.com
Thu Jun 9 08:27:19 EDT 2005


What has happened at a few shops I worked with, use php to "model" the
project, then move it over to Java.  What happens?   No one moves it
"over" to Java, it just works as is. And everyone just moves on.

-ed :-)

On 6/9/05, Leila Lappin <damovand at yahoo.com> wrote:
> One word of caution,
> Warning the following is a rant, read with caution or
> don't read if you don't want to be bothered,
> 
> 
> With success comes migration of jobs elsewhere and
> more than 100million hungry programmers poised and
> ready to take the jobs away.  Sorry for the trumpet of
> doom and despair but it's happened before.
> 
> Since I already spilled the beans, let me elaborate a
> little more.  The only reason PHP remains a good
> source of employment in New York is because the big
> boys (mid to large size corporations) don't take it
> seriously.  Once they start doing so, next thing you
> know they're importing cheap programmers to do the
> work and whatnot. Let the Java people remain in their
> Java houses and think their big giant cow of a
> language is the best thing that ever happened to the
> IT community.
> 
> With PHP5 becoming the standard installation in all
> shops, we all know that Java loses its lead as a
> better object oriented language and the only thing it
> has to boast.  But let's keep this a sweet secret.
> 
> Sorry for the rant, I hope I haven't ruined your
> morning.
> 
> --- Steve Manes <smanes at magpie.com> wrote:
> 
> > Mark Armendariz wrote:
> > > A good friend mentioned that he usually argues
> > that the development time
> > > is preferable with PHP. Anyone here have resources
> > to share or a good
> > > general direction to walk in with this argument?
> >
> > A company for whom I consult was considering porting
> > their existing ASP
> > software from PHP/Perl to Java.  Their reason had
> > mostly to do with
> > their new tech director and the fact that he only
> > knew Java.
> >
> > Most of my arguments fell on deaf ears.  The one
> > that finally caused the
> > bosses to put the kibosh on the Java porting project
> > was my reminder of
> > how the software is hacked almost daily to add new
> > chrome and doodads
> > for specific ASP clients without affecting the
> > others.  PHP (and Perl)
> > are simply better suited to this sort of ad hoc
> > surgery than Java.
> >
> > It also helped when I told them that their
> > PHP/PostgreSQL production
> > servers had been up for 480 days without a reboot
> > (they were also
> > considering porting to an MS architecture).
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