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[Fee, Patrick J (US SSA)]

I concur with Ed, with one caveat:

When bringing on a new programmer for any contract that interfaces with the government you MAY care about "school, grades, or the results of a test [certification]"  It may be required by the contract, either directly or by limiting the salaries based on education and/or certification.  

I have a compatriot who despises advanced degrees or certs, because he run into too many "paper programmers".  However, I swear to Jobs that he dreams in binary and has developed a "man page" for each of his own day-to-day activities.  But I will never be able to leverage his talents against certain projects because they require certain measurement of skills by cert or degree.

Getting off my soapbox, however, I DO  keep a couple of "what's wrong with this picture" html/php/CF code snippets that stumped certain staff folk in the past.  If they can "find Waldo", they have the skills (and the attention to detail) for which I am looking.


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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Edward Potter
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:47 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] OT: webmaster test

There is only ONE question to ask, in the immortal words of Steve Jobs:
Have you shipped ANY thing in your life?  :-)

And my only coder question:
How good are you with vi at the command line?

And my only designer question:
Show me cool stuff.

You will SAVE years of HR time with those 3 questions.

 I don't really care where u worked, went to school, grades, or the results of a test. Just show me COOL stuff that you worked on - and can you work 20/30/40 hours straight on a problem, without moaning and groaning about it -  and love doing it?

PS,  TRouBLe   :-)  ed




On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Jake McGraw <jmcgraw1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> This was the first time I'd seen the fizz buzz problem, I like it  
> because it can really show what level a programmer is at in only a  
> couple of lines of code, considering there are so many solutions.
>
>  - jake
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM, André Pitanga <andre at pitanga.org> wrote:
>  >
>  > > I think that the border question is a little specific.  I never 
> memorize  > order of parameters,  I learn the concepts behind it.  
> Knowing which  > position comes first in a border-width command 
> doesn't really demonstrate  > your knowledge of css.
>  > >
>  >
>  >  True indeed.  There's more value in conceptual knowledge than in 
> rote  > memorization of syntax.
>  >  Your inheritance question is indeed better. I'll add it to the next draft.
>  > Thank you.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > > For your programming question, I think someone without 
> programming  > experience could get that :)  > >  >  >  Great. I don't 
> think that would be a problem. I think that would be a  > pretty smart 
> person.
>  >  I knew about fizz-buzz but thought it was too difficult...
>  >
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