[nycphp-talk] ColdFusion vs PHP (Ruby, Perl....)
Kristina Anderson
ka at kacomputerconsulting.com
Thu May 1 13:29:16 EDT 2008
Ed --
My comment was solely intended to offer the theory that there is a
reason why PHP has so much more of a market share overall than does
Cold Fusion -- whatever that reason might be, and to solicit comments
therein from the other people who post to this list as to what that
reason may be.
My impression on the much larger market share is primarily based on the
fact that there are a lot more people looking to hire PHP programmers
than there people looking to hire Cold Fusion programmers. Therefore,
more companies must be using PHP.
[Not only do I have 12 years as a consultant (with the concommitant
huge volume of time perusing job postings and answering RFPs), but I
have 3 years as a recruiter/account manager in the tech field and an
abundant knowledge of the job market in tech, and who is looking for
what, what companies are using what platforms, and etc. -- is this data
not "relevant" or "scholarly" enough for your taste?]
With all due respect,
Kristina
> Kristina,
>
> If you're not sure what the market share is, why even comment; again,
> I'm concerned by your lack of scholarship; but you're pardoned.
>
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>
> http://lui.arbingersys.com/index.html
>
> Keep in mind that the TIOBE index is based on several assumptions,
which
> i think are erroneous:
> http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-
lies-and-statistics/
>
> Keep in mind that Coldfusion is JAVA, and results from the above
indexes
> could very well be overlapping. Whatever-the-case, there is no real
> measure of current 'market share' done in a formalized (going to each
> shop, in a standard way, and asking what they use) and complete (not
> leaving-out Government and Healthcare facilities) fashion.
>
> Although it seems there is more 'content' and information revolving
> around the string 'PHP' (and/or 'PHP Programming')
> It's most likely due to the fact that PHP is OpenSource. So
the 'market
> share' you may be personally perceiving is most likely rooted to an
> abundance of documentation/information, and not actual lines of
> code/real-world usage; hence not an actual measure of true market
share.
>
> -Ed
>
> Kristina Anderson wrote:
> > Pardon me for saying this, but there must be a reason why PHP has
so
> > much more of a "market share", when it comes to picking a
> > platform/language for web development, than does Cold Fusion? ...
> >
> > Not sure what the exact percentages are or why PHP is so much more
> > widely used, but the situation is what it is.
> >
> > -- Kristina
> >
> >
> >> David,
> >>
> >> I'm sorry I had only given you an enterprise resource (although
you
> >>
> > can
> >
> >> run BlueDragon with localhost access only for free). Here is a
> >>
> > fantastic
> >
> >> community resource, that will allow you to really stress test that
CF
> >> app: http://www.railo-technologies.com/en/index.cfm?treeID=149
> >> Some Javaheads like me think that this is even better than
BlueDragon.
> >>
> >> Although I'm still a huge fan of CF8, as it has introduced
inherent
> >>
> > PHP
> >
> >> and Ruby support:
> >>
> >>
> >
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/ColdFusion_8_runn
> > ing_PHP
> >
> >> -Ed
> >>
> >>
> >> David Mintz wrote:
> >>
> >>> How about the non-free closed-sourcedness, or is it? I prefer
> >>> something I can download and run on my own pc if I please -- IOW
> >>>
> > I'd
> >
> >>> like to be able to run a replica of the live CF site without
paying
> >>> anyone any money. The article on wikipedia said you could
> >>> "theoretically" run your CF app with an app server like Tomcat.
> >>>
> > With
> >
> >>> something like MySQL/PHP you can way more than "theoretically"
run
> >>>
> > a
> >
> >>> copy of your production site on your own box, both technically
and
> >>> legally.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Webmaster
> >>> <consult at covenantedesign.com
<mailto:consult at covenantedesign.com>>
> >>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> Dave,
> >>>
> >>> I work with Coldfusion day-in and day-out. It is a fantastic
> >>> language that can get a lot of things done quickly. It's
> >>>
> > powerful,
> >
> >>> versatile and has an easy-enough learning curve. Don't listen
to
> >>> anyone who just says 'PHP is better', or, 'If you're starting
> >>>
> > from
> >
> >>> scratch, start with PHP', any evaluation to that degree is
> >>>
> > coming
> >
> >>> from someone who has little to no experience with C vs. Java.
> >>>
> > (Yes
> >
> >>> originally CF was written in C, but in much wisdom they moved
to
> >>> Java).
> >>>
> >>> I am very well versed in CF and would be more than happy to
> >>>
> > answer
> >
> >>> any of your questions off list David.
> >>>
> >>> -Ed
> >>> Me at EdwardPrevost.info
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Flame me for starting this, I know it might get religious.
> >>> But: an organization of which I am a member is evaluating
> >>> proposals to rebuild its website. One of those proposals
is
> >>> from some folks who apparently are partial to ColdFusion.
> >>>
> > All
> >
> >>> I know about CF is what I just picked up from skimming
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion. Recognizing my
bias
> >>> towards languages that I speak, I try to keep an open
mind.
> >>>
> > I
> >
> >>> am interested in hearing what you guys think about CF. I
> >>>
> > know
> >
> >>> I can expect a PHPish bias in this forum but I also know
> >>>
> > there
> >
> >>> are a lot of independent-minded, non-dogmatic, clear-
headed,
> >>> breath-takingly wise and knowledgeable... have I
flattered
> >>>
> > you
> >
> >>> enough yet?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David Mintz
> >>> http://davidmintz.org/
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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